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't think that raising tax rates is something that's good for this economy, that will help grow jobs. and so what we have said is there are ways for the federal government to have more revenue if we grow this economy and engage in tax reforms. >> every economist i respect says if you raise tax rates at this time -- in fact the president said that a couple years ago -- that it harms the economy. we're trying to help the economy. and so unless i can be convinced that raising tax rates will be beneficial, then obviously i think there's reason and grounds for my position. >> the truth is this country does not need to go through this fiscal cliff, which is fundamentally a huge tax increase and very little spending cuts. we're favoring a huge automatic tax increase that needs to be changed. >> bottom line we can't go off the fiscal cliff. democrats have harry reid. we have mitch mcconnell. get them in the room. no one gets all they want. if reagan and o'neill could do it, obama and boehner should be able to do it. >> it's the right approach, the one most beneficial for our economy, that protects t
and extend the maturity of existing loans. mark carney prepares to take up the reigns of the uk economy any. unlikely to be any good news. third quarter gd figures expected to be revised down. and it's point, click, buy. americans were doing plenty of that yesterdays as early reports suggest online holiday sales soared on cyber monday. and all bets are off. prediction market entrade says it can no longer accept u.s. customers as market regulators say its trades aren't legal. shanghai composite closed below 2,000 for the first time in three years. it comes at a time when plenty have been talking up chinese growth prospects for next year. so we'll get into that more later. but 1991 is the closing level. this the main one to watch across asia. the nikkei did manage to continue it rally adding about 0.4% as the yen weakens on comments this morning. forex, the dollar-yen one to watch, 82.19 is the level there. the aussie dollar doing a little bit abouter despite that weak number on the shanghai composite. sterling is flat. we'll get into that more later. and euro-dollar just barely higher today,
newshour has been provided by: moving our economy for 160 years. bnsf, the engine that connects us. and by the alfred p. sloan foundation. supporting science, technology, and improved economic performance and financial literacy in the 21st century. and with the ongoing support of these institutions and foundations. and... this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. >> brown: washington's struggle to avoid going off the "fiscal cliff" resumed in earnest today. the president moved to draw on his reelection victory for new clout with congress. the goal: a sweeping deficit agreement to avert $650 billion in spending cuts and tax increases at the start of 2013. from the white house came word that president obama will try to build public pressure on congress to raise taxes on the wealthy and prevent tax hikes for everyone else. white house spokesman jay carney. >> well, the president believes very strongly that the american people matter in this debate. because this debate is about t
, investors in the financial markets and the real economy, you need sustainability and credibility. the problem with the european union for the time being is that decisionmaking is not sustainable. the united states has a common economic area with a common currency. one central bank, one parliament, and one government. the european union has an economic area with one currency, one central bank, and 17 governments in the eurozone. how the fine trust when you have every day after the decision making, another government -- how you can find an investor going to greece, today you invest in euros. tomorrow, the currency of greece, nobody knows. what kind of investment will go to greece. the biggest problem is not to fill the gap in the public coffers of greece. my eyes, it is a credit crunch in some of the countries. i met the chairman of the greek chamber of commerce when i was there and he'd tell me we have about 300 small and middle sized companies. ferry transport is a very important element of the greek economy. in the health-care system, whatever. most of the jobs are created in sm
's really thinking that we're going to get this full 3.5%, 4% gdp hit smack into the economy on january 1st. the problem is that time is marching on. we've had the election, we've had thanksgiving. the excuses are running out. the lame-duck session is only so long. that's probably why the markets are getting nervous. although you may get a deal done in q-1 rather than in q-4, the fact that it actually hits from january 1st is going to keep business very cautious, very defensive and that's going to worry the equity market. >> it's interesting because it also comes against the landscape where we've seen chinese equities underperform, they reminded us very few of its member countries have great growth prospects going forward. that's probably wise. people are saying why is it that across the globe the u.s. fiscal cliff is such an issue. well, it's because sources of growth at this point are few and far between. >> that is the problem. where is growth going to come from. the one place that looked set for a reasonable 2013 was the u.s. economy. europe flat, china slower probably than this year. b
about the german economy. suggests we may be heading into possibly contraction territory. expecting it to be around 99.5 versus 100. expectations entex is frft at 93.2, unchanged from the previous reading. not out yet. kathleen brooks is with us. i'm not sure why we don't have it but anyway, whatever your expectations are for this, how close is germ 234i going to skirt with contraction in the fourth quarter? >> it certainly has been slowing down and it looks like there's the possibility that even germany is starting to have some mild contraction and maybe even in the technical recession i would think over the next two quarters. the economic indicators have been coming down in determine any, there had been an expectation that consumption kicks up more in the country. which it has a little bit, but a little less than maybe people have been expecting. obviously the fallout from the international crisis and the backdrop is not really helping. >>. >> euro-dollar edging up to a three week high. growth numbers don't seem to mary ann awful lot to the traders. >> no. it's been able to shrug
this drags on, the uncertainty continues to hurt the economy and continues to undermine markets. >> james nixon, thank you. autonomy's ceo says he's shocked by allegations of mismanagement. they've been forced to take a nearly $9 billion charge because of what it called serious improprieties. lynch says the trouble arose after hp took over the company. >> we've been talking about a massive elephant in the room that wasn't spotted. the reason it wasn't spotted is very simple, it wasn't there. it was done, in their own words, meticulously and great detail. and then they actually ran the company, including doing all of the books for the last four quarters. >> hp shares down 12% yesterday, closing on a ten-year low right now. that is the euro's closing price. >>> still to come later, he's now apologized to the investors for the poor call and says the end for hp is not even sight. >>> also, japan has posted its worst trade deficit in october for more than three decades. exports dropped sharply amid territorial tensions between tokyo and beijing. it indicates the world's third biggest economy i
on the horizon. that's where we begin this morning. how confident are you about the state of the u.s. economy? what steps are you taking to prepare for the potential impact if the u.s. goes off the fiscal cliff? give us a call this morning. you can also catch up with us on all your favorite social media sites, twitter or facebook. or e-mail us. thismorning to you on wednesday, november 21. we are talking about federal reserve chairman ben bernanke's comments yesterday about the fiscal cliff, and getting your thoughts on bthe u.s. economy. and this headline -- also, in the financial times -- to tell little bit more about ben bernanke's , and sister day we turn to david clarke of "politico," their financial services editor. thanks for joining us. guest: thanks for having me. host: what is making the most waves from his speech? guest: in the past he has warned that congress and the president's path to take care of the fiscal cliff. yesterday he said it is not simply doing it but how they do it, making a point that voters will be looking to see if they can do this in a cooperative manner, whether
to go into the real economy. >> as we saw in our report, greeks are out protesting against this deal. what with the public like to see instead? >> i think the biggest thing they would like is some sense that the unemployment issue is going to be addressed. the protests we saw today were mainly involving municipal workers, city hall workers. not just in athens, as about 2/3 of city halls around the country were shut. many of those workers will be laid off between now and the end of the year. the government is finding it very hard to get the mayors of those city halls to send in the list of names of people who have to be laid off. >> thanks so much for the update. germany is a top lender to greece, and lawmakers are expected to approve the release of berlin's contribution immediately. still, there are deep suspicions that talks of a debt write-down have been delayed until after next year's german elections. >> the deal would be put to vote on thursday or friday. >> it is not an easy sell for the defense of the idea of letting greece buy back its bonds at below market value. >> it is im
spain to take the bailout, but of course many things can go wrong including the economy could be even worse than what we just discussed. in that case i think spain would ultimately have to apply. but i don't think they'll do that over the coming weeks. >> all right, ricardo, good to talk to you. thanks for that. don't forget, of course, if you have any thoughts, questions, comments, e-mail us at cnbc.com. it's thanksgiving to u.s. markets, so they're closed, so that means we have a special three hour show for european and asian viewers today. still to come, india's parliament has opened its winter's session for what could be a tough first day back to business for the prime minister. we'll find out what opposition he faces from our correspondent in mumbai. we'll also find out why asian casinos are putting their chips on the table despite slow economic growth in the region. and obama saves cobbler, but many of his turkey friends will end up on the table today. we evaluate the cost of a thanksgiving dinner with a soft commodities expert. all of that and lent more coming up over the cours
swath of the economy, i can't stress how important this trend might be. hey, let's take the rails. >> all aboard! >> they've been horrendous in large part because of decline in coal shipments to our power plants which are nat gas. china is building hundreds of coal burning plants. when electricity is used, you'll see stocks like csx and norfolk southern start to bottom. you know what? i think they bottom now. just how powerful is china? consider this. last week we had a truce between the israelis and gazans. it took people by surprise. how can it stay high given the sudden ephemeral peace? oil didn't fall. that's because of rapacious chinese demand. there's europe. deal talks were in the air friday. that means a day when the industrials that had so much riding on return to growth in europe could blossom. they were some of the best actors out there. good news for europe, still good news for the international u.s. banks. they went up, too. jp morgan, goldman sachs. retail. we got terrific news on friday. initial returns from the black thursday which used to be black friday, tremendo
the economy going over the fiscal cliff. no mystery what the issues areu. the democrats know, republicans know and so does president obama. entitlements are pushing the country toward financial ruin. here is what the president said in 2010. >> the major driver of the long-term liabilities is medicare, medicaid and healthcare spending. nothing comes close. social security we could probably fix the same way tip o'neil and ronald reagan sat down together and we could figure something out. that is manageable. medicare and medicaid, massive problems down the road. that's where, that is what our children have to worry about. >> dana: here we are, two years later and still no plan. on the left in congress refusing to deal with that simple reality. vermont senator bernie sanders caucuses with the democrats. take a listen. >> i get nervous when i hear the president and others continue to talk about quote/unquote, entitlement reform. which is just another cut for medicaid and medicare and social security. >> eric: brian, start with you, today. >> dana: you look surprised. >> brian: i am. yet honored. >>
assurances that the nation's economy is sound after u.s. credit rating agency moody's stripped them of their prize the a.a.a. status. this follows the cut by standard and poor's and it was expected. >> hollande is trying to revive the eurozone the second-largest economy. moody's had nothing good to say about france's economic prospects. they say the country has become less competitive and its labor market has turned staid. they say this makes them more bolt -- vulnerable to turbulence elsewhere in the eurozone. the french finance minister moscovici rejected the you downgrade. >> this does not put into question the fundamentals of our economy or reforms utaken hat by the government. it does not? creditworthiness. >> he blames the previous french government for failing to balance the budget. nonetheless, he says the downgrade is exaggerated. private u.s. rating agencies like moody's are subject to much flak in europe. critics say they gave ailing wrote u.s. banks operating as in 2008. many want the establishment of an independent rating agency instead. >> the european markets take the
the entire economy because we're not confident that our guys can govern anymore. people like me just aren't hiring because we're not confident they can do it. >> well, the white house echoed that concern this morning. a new report says failing to act on the president's plan for middle class americans would freeze the economic recovery. obama's plan includes lower taxes on the first $250,000 earned by every american and tweaking the alternative minimum tax. the white house report estimates that consumer spending would fall by $200 million. now that's more than three times what consumers spent just over this entire holiday weekend. there could be a drag on a range of industries from cars and housing to restaurants and supermarkets, if congress can't reach a deal. and look, pocketbook issues are not the only problem here. carl levin, the democratic senator and chair of the armed services committee said automatic cuts to government spending could impact public safety. >> i think you should be worried if you have a defense job and we all ought to be worried whether we are dependent upon other
business, like the economy is doing well. he has known boehner for years and believes the speaker wants to make a deal with president obama to avoid the fiscal cliff and impact on families but also seen washington's disfunction and has his doubts. >> somewhat just like the president, time to go ahead and do your job. >> reporter: speaker boehner is secure enough in his own district here north of cincinnati i-75 that his constituents will give him a freehand to negotiate. his bigger challenge is pulling together republicans from districts across the country behind any deal he ultimately strikes with president obama. the next four weeks that is the challenge john boehner, eric canter, and candidates on the house and senate are going to find. how do you put together a deal that not only the leaders agree upon but members of the caucuses can give majority to us in both houses? >> indeed, john, thank you very much. >>> meantime, some important economic data came out today and if you were looking at it expecting to see signs of worry about that looming fiscal cliff, you might be surprised. st
. we're entering a deflationary time and in the japanese economy which is evident to a lot of fundamentals we're seeing. and i think it will cause levels to drop further. >> they could actually just do old fashioned money printing. just put more bank notes and -- instead of buying government debt, they could do it the old fashioned way. >> that is definitely an option. i think they'll be trying every resource possible. i think there is just no demand for credit. you can flood the market, but who is there to demand it. >> so the yen strength is overdone. what does that mean for some of the other cost rates looking at euro-dollar now firmly in this range. is that in place for a while? >> i think we've seen a lot of range shading at the moment even in terms of the election, we see no reaction in euro-dollar. i do think we'll remain range trading right up up until the end of this quarter. the omt policy is really underpinned euro u.s. and created a floor under this currency. >> okay. good to see you. thanks for that. the financial services authority has hit ubs with a 27.9 mill
breaking this pledge? >> let's distinguish with what boehner have said. i certainly agree, if the economy grew at 4% instead of 2% for the next decade, the federal government would net an additional $5 trillion. you could pay all of obama's death down. connell: that is not what he is talking about. >> okay. i am sorry. what he said is what i said. what obama claims he said is a separate matter. boehner was very clear. obama said, oh, you have agreed to tax increases. the talks collapsed because obama misstated. connell: what you say to republicans who are thinking about breaking the pledge? >> look, most republicans have signed the pledge. even the ones who have not have made it very clear even when they ran for office, higher taxes have hurt the economy. they have spent too much money. the entitlements are looking to break the economy. we need to spend less. raising taxes to get the politicians more money to continue spending, does not solve any problems. connell: i know you think this is the narratives being pushed by the media and all of that, if they do break it, that does speak to yo
. >> translator: i promise to become the first president to democratize the economy and establish a sound welfare system through a new type of politics. >> moon also talked about >> moon also talked about entrepreneur-turned-politician ahn cheol-soo. ahn dropped out of the race last week to give moon a better chance for victory when voters head to the polls on december 19th. moon said he'll never forget the sacrifice. he asked ahn's supporters to back him. >>> earlier shery ahn spoke with kengo okamoto who has covered south korea's last two presidential elections. >> kengo, park and moon running neck and neck. what are south koreans looking for in their next leader? >> yes, shery. their biggest concern is growing economic equality. they blame congress glom rats. these groups or big companies dominate south korea's economy. critics say they made it hard for smaller companies to succeed. moon has said one solution is to reintroduce limits on how conglomerates can invest. he says that would create room for smaller companies to grow. >> and what does park say? she's known to be more conservative. >>
back on its feet, it involves finding a way to help greece's economy actually return to growth. while some of the terms of the deals were a little more favorable than many had feared, at the end of the day, you have to find a way to help these economies grow. that probably means pausing some of that austerity. >> susie: you talk about it being a favorable deal, and you picture that other troubled companies in europe are saying, i want a deal just like greece got. what does that mean for the european economic recovery? >> i think it certainly complicates things a little bit. there is clearly an issue of moral hazard. many other countries may look to the deal that greece got and say, hey, maybe i can get a similar-type deal. in the end, when we think about what is plaguing personal europe, a lot of it has to do with austerity which has been forced on the economies, which are really, really depressed, and pushes them deeper into the hole. part of what needs to be done moving forward is pausing some of that austerity. you can't go to a country in a very bad recession, and tell them to inc
? >> if you look at what might happened, in other words, we go from an environment where the economy is chugging along, uninspiring but growing 2%, to go over the fiscal cliff which means for that period when we're over the fiscal cliff, contracting, that suggests that multiples come down probably as much as 10%. in addition you're likely to see drop in earnings estimates as well. some real risk if we go over the cliff. >> a lot. >> michael, you're not as concerned about the impact of the fiscal cliff on the markets. why? >> first of all, i don't think we'll go over the cliff. i think it's a lower probability we will not rather than we will. here's where i think you need to position a portfolio strategy. i don't think the market is priced in if we go over the cliff. what you need to do is be in risk assets, if this makes sense, more defense risk assets. dividend payers, technology, even overseas, emerging markets. china looks like it's finally starting to recover because the bottom line is, even if we don't go over the fiscal cliff, we'll still have a very, very slow growth environme
's the one most beneficial for our economy. >> reporter: the president's trying to take advantage of that different tone. he talked to speaker boehner over the weekend by telephone. and today you've had two business leaders, john engler, tom donahue, in to meet with senior white house officials. they're trying to keep this going. aides on capitol hill tell me no substantive progress in negotiations just yet. they're just now getting back to work after thanksgiving. >> how does that make you feel about the market? does it make you feel like they have more kum-bi-ya going on in washington, d.c.? does it make you more willing to invest? >> i'll tell you what. i saw spielberg's "lincoln" over the weekend and it was incredible because it reminded me how nothing has changed on capitol hill. >> i agree with you 150%. >> in 150 years. >> don't you get tired of everybody saying, oh, washington is a mess right now. it's never been this bad. it's always been this bad. you see that in the movie. >> well, we had a civil war in the -- >> some say it's never been worse. it's been worse. >> go ah
we can evaluate the markets and evaluate the economy? >> the markets are not going to allow that. the markets now understand very clearly the formation of capital is at risk here. we have a absolutely suffocating mountainous debt that is going to extinguish the private economy in this country. lori: bond market is letting it happen. the interest rates are staying low. >> you're quite right but it is also the most defensive position for money of that dimension to inhabit. when we see a change, then we'll see difference ares in direction and flow of that capital but until then, this is a president and a congress, republican and democrat, that are risking everything through their lack of courage, their lack of principle, and lack of vision and responsibility. these people are playing out like they want to come away from this with a whole chapter and profiles in courage devoted to them. it is not going to happen. this is a profile in cowardice. this is profile in the lack of intellectual integrity and a absolute refusal to be straightforward with the american people. i mean we've got
comprehensive immigration reform. he sees it as a key part to stabilizing the economy, investing in the middle class, not having a subclass of 11 million people that hurt economic revitalization. for him i think it is a piece of the middle class agenda. >> are the other unions working with senator schuman who say they are starting to work on a piece of legislation? >> the majority leader and center schumer. we have some issues with this idea, but we applaud his enthusiasm. we are trying to get him on the steps of key elements that are important to us. >> where do you disagree? >> i think he thinks a national id card is required. we do nothing that needs to be part of the solution to fixing the broken immigration system. >> washington journal continues. host:jim martin n. he will be talking about the future of health care, especially the elements of the affordable care act that are put to place. guest: glad to be here. host: what does it mean in general for older americans now that the election is over? guest: i think things like obamacare, the affordable care act, seniors were opposed to it b
an agreement by year's end. such a situation is feared to trigger a plunge in the economy. panetta warned that defense spending will be subject to drastic cuts if lawmakers failed to reach a consensus. >> the worst thing that could happen from my perspective is that they just kick the can down the road. all that would wind up doing is continuing to present a shadow over the defense department and for that matter, the rest of government. >> the defense department is already planning to reduce its budget by about $500 billion over the coming ten years. panetta has voiced concern that further cuts could undermine barack obama's new defense strategy that lays more emphasis on the asia pacific region. >>> japanese officials are scratching their heads about how to deal with sluggish trade. sales to foreign countries have plunged leaving japan in a trade deficit for the fourth straight month. finance ministry officials released preliminary figures shortly before the markets opened. the deficit came in at $6.7 billion. exports fell by 6.5% from a year earlier. exports have fallen five months in a
of the arguments when it comes to the you relate to the economy. -- most of the arguments when it comes to the e you relate to the economy -- most of the arguments when it comes to the eu. >> i think we're just failing to allow a lot of the time, and then our own country is suffering. we're too busy dealing with everyone else. am i think the -- >> i think the eu has a lot to do to get itself out of trouble. >> those in favor of the eu are in the minority here, but they are part of. one growth organizes cultural exchanges -- one group organizes cultural exchanges. they are going to supply the local christmas market with wine from their local german city. >> i feel part of europe, rather than british particularly, but then may be i am the odd one. who is to say. >> although he is a fervent european, he thinks he is likely to remain the odd one out for some time to come. >> the government situation, and employment, the general economic situation, and generally, you look for scapegoats, and europe is a good scapegoat. >> even today, many britons think the enemy is on the continent in brussels. them
economy -- due to concerns. >> there are talks in brussels, and it was on the minds of traders. we have this summary from the frankfurt stock exchange. >> the negotiations about the rescue package for greece our way and down on the share markets at the beginning of this week. traders are hoping that there will not be a long term -- that there will be a long-term solution but only the euro showed that investors seem to be rather optimistic. the hero has been quite strong today. optimism also for the german economy. the german consumer confidence has been stronger than expected. some investors hope now that german consumers buy more christmas presents than they have before. >> a quick look at some market numbers now. dax closing down 0.25%. euro stoxx down. the dow jones is currently down about 0.5%. the euro was trading for $1.2961. swiss bank ubs has been fined 37 million euro for regulation and failures lead into a rogue trader losing billions for the company. >> the employee was convicted of fraud dance that -- sentenced to seven years in prison. they describe the risk control systems
40. >> if you're trying to forecast the economy, what matters is what america actually decides, not what it should decide. what it's actually going to decide is a small bargain that gets us through 2013 and doesn't fix the problem. that's the reality that we're going to face. >> so your gdp under that scenario for 2013, 2014, 2015 -- >> yeah, for 2012, we'll have about two quarters of 1.5%. i think we'll get some resolution by mid year so we'll grow 2.5%, maybe 3%. >> mid year. >> yeah. and then in 2013, i think you can grow 3%, maybe more as long as you have -- >> if you just let it ride? >> that's my forecast. we're not going to fix these fundamental problems except over a ten year period with 10 or 15 pieces of legislation. >> medicare alone is 42 trillion unfunded. social security 20.5 trillion. and then you add the 16 that we know about to that. none of these are in black and white those first two that i mentioned. you add it all together, 86.8. >> a lot depends on what happens to medical care. i mean, one thing that could change these estimates tremendously, find a cure f
the fiscal cliff could cost the economy, the equivalent of four times what shoppers spent over black friday weekend. >> tom: i'm tom hudson. it's cyber monday, and shoppers are online, and spending; they'll shell out an estimated $1.5 billion online today. >> susie: and change comes to the nation's top securities regulator: mary schapiro is stepping down. we look at what's next for the securities and exchange commission, and its new leader. >> tom: that and more tonight on "n.b.r."! >> susie: americans were back at work today after a long holiday weekend, but returned to the same worries about the fiscal cliff. and a new report from the white house added to the worries, showing that unless there's a deal on solving the crisis, the u.s. economy would suffer big time. the obama administration's economists estimate consumers would spend about $200 billion less next year than they would have otherwise. congress and the administration have only a few more weeks to nail down a deal. but that deal will have to address some tough issues, including entitlement reform. darren gersh explains. >> repor
cure the economy. the senior editor of "the atlantic" joins us live in the next half hour. he has an interesting perspective. >>> ambassador susan rice heads to capitol hill this morning to mend fences with three republican senators. john mccain, lindsey graham and kelly a at with her information comments made on several networks that played down the role of terrorists in the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya, that killed four americans including ambassador chris stevens. rice maintains she made it clear the intelligence information she had at the time was preliminary. senators have threatened to block her nomination if president obama chooses her to be his next secretary of state. >>> and the obama administration responds to the benghazi attack does not get high marks from americans. the results of a new poll out this morning shows a majority of those questioned, 54%, say they are dissatisfied with the administration's handling of the attack. >>> and the body of yasser arafat was exhumed this morning from a mausoleum in the west bank. a team of international scienti
. we're always looking at geopolitical risks. it does play a part in the global economy. with slow global growth domestically and overseas, the last thing we need is another geopolitical crisis. >> fiscal cliff taking a backseat today. how are you allocating capital today? >> we're very cautious now, frankly. we have about a two-week window. i think the markets are being a bit accommodating, frankly, until we get more clarity. >> rick santelli, did you see any movement in the markets when they announced the cease fire? it had very specific impacts here and there, but wasn't a widespread thing, was it? >> no, it really wasn't. as a i talk, you can look at ten-year for every major developed economy. the u.s., the germans, the french, the u.k., the japanese. month to date, the patterns are almost all die dent call. with all these variables, elections, mideast, fiscal cliff, it seems as though there's only so much flight to safety bid you can push into the marketplace. some traders say that's why you didn't notice. in the old days, it would make a difference. yields are already most ac
strategy pay off for retailers? will concerns about the sluggish economy and the fiscal cliff keep consumers home? all questions we seek answers to. >> let's get some answers. cnbc contributor stacy liblet at queens center mall here in new york city. we also have liz dunn of mcquarry capital on the west coast in san francisco. great to have you all with us. laura, why don't i get to you first of all. what are you seeing out there on the floor of the malls? >> so traffic's slowing a little bit which is normal for the afternoon. i think that most of the traffic -- most of the big buys were for electronics and toys. those happened last night. they may be happening online more and more. but the mall's bit slow, we think, relative to a year ago. >> do you think people came in earlier with all of these earlier openings that we've been hearing about? do you feel maybe that's just drifted off a little bit as everyone's now done their shopping and gone loam to bed? >> i'm pretty sure that that is what has happened here. you don't normally see -- this is an urban mall in queens. i would not
. >> grow this economy and engage in tax reform. >> simplify the code. >> ywhen you get divorced, thats what happens. ♪ >> welcome back after the thanksgiving holiday and all eyes are on the fast approaching fiscal cliff with republicans possibly maybe looking to make a deal. with the deadline now just 36 days away, some top republicans suggest they could, shock, horror, break with their sacred pledge to grover norquist. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge i made tennesseans aware is just elected that the only thing i'm honoring is the oath that i take when i serve when i'm sworn in this january. >> there's a lot that has been said about this pledge, and i will tell you when i go to the constituents that have elected -- re-elected me, it is not about that pledge. it really is about trying to solve problems. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece, but i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> sounds great, doesn't it? only one problem, th
consumer giving the economy a big lift or will fears about the fiscal cliff get in the way? a roundtable discussion is up next. you saw sears and kmart president kick off the open at the nasdaq. can his store ring up strong sales this holiday season? we'll head to break and look at this morning's early movers on wall street led by best buy up 1.6%. with the fidelity stock screener, you can try strategies from independent experts and see what criteria they use. such as a 5% yield on dividend-paying stocks. then you can customize the strategies and narrow down to exactly those stocks you want to follow. i'm mark allen of fidelity investments. the expert strategies feature is one more innovative reason serious investors are choosing fidelity. now get 200 free trades when you open an account. if we want to improve our schools... ... what should we invest in? maybe new buildings? what about updated equipment? they can help, but recent research shows... ... nothing transforms schools like investing in advanced teacher education. let's build a strong foundation. let's invest in our teachers so
and it is going to take all of us working together because it would damage this economy if we have this kind of huge tax increase. but our democratic colleagues, all they want to talk about is, more taxes, more taxes, more revenue. they will not telling us where the money is going? they're not assuring that the money will be used to pay down the debt like it is suggested. so we need to see those numbers, what they planned, before any discussion is appropriate it seems to me. martha: you know, i mean, does take it from both sides. if you look at the republican side, basically they want to see cuts in spending and real entitlement reform and perhaps revenue that comes from the relief of some loopholes that are out there so that, bob corker i know has suggested maybe there be a $50,000 cap on the amount of deductions you can take in your taxes. republicans want to get there that way, not by raising any rates, correct? does that stand steady, that thought? >> i think that's a lot, where a lot of our members are. if you can simplify the tax code. make it more flat, more like a flat tax. eliminate
? >> it's a very bifurcated economy today with the consumer. you have high end consumers that are still feeling pretty good but in very basic every day needs like food as well as basic services, et cetera, people no matter what economic strata they're in, they are trying to save on those basics. >> explains a lot about where we are. >> took my breath away. what he's saying is there's a huge percentage of people trying to pay for dinner and dinner is tough to come by and you forget about that on a fiscal cliff discussion that will be even more difficult for people to pay for dinner and he did this acquisition because he knows people are hurting in this country. >> there's the opening bell. s&p at the top of your screen. here's big board at that. prosperity bank shares marking transfer from the nasdaq and over at the nasdaq. >> you're talking about dinner. we are having discussion about whole foods under pressure of late. the company missed. the cfo resigned. never a good thing for a company when you hear a cfo resigning. stock down 18.25%. smaller cap company. it's 2.9 billion. decent ac
that central bankers can't rescue the u.s. economy if it goes over the fiscal cliff. paul is president of financial capital. given that we're talking about this so much with these guys not around, all we do is we keep showing how much time we have as it's ticking down. when they do get back, paul, how do you think that the deal looks if they do put one together, and do they get it done? >> good morning, and happy thanksgiving to y'all. we all know it's getting done, whether it gets done before christmas or in january, a deal's going to get done. i think also everyone knows taxes are unfortunately -- taxes are going to go up. i don't know it's going to be at the 250 level. maybe at the 500 or million-dollar level. but taxes are going to go up and expenses are going to get cut. so we all wish they would stop the jawboning and positioning and politicking, sit in a room with dulls, both give in a little bit and move on. but they're going to push and push and push and the markets will push a deal to get it done. >> so if you were trying to decide what to do, would you just stand pat with eq
have something really worked out because look at what the economy -- look at where consumer sentiment is over the last couple months. i don't think they can really, you know, run the risk of that falling back. we made so much improvement over the last couple months. at least macroeconomicly, they can't run the risk of this thing going over. >> what does it mean for the stock market and how many different things are affecting it right now? i figure not knowing where tax policy is next year, some people know it will be hire, so they're probably just going to sell into december 31st. and then you've got continuing problems in europe, as well, morgan stanley has a report out about possible recession in 2013. what are the factors that influence the market at 13,000 and do you think it's a good time to ad money or take money out? >> short term, i think the feeling is that things are going to work out. so we'll be in this range here of in the s&ps 1390, 1420. i think if we break 1390, we get down to that next 1360 level will, again, there is so much money on the sidelines waiting to do somet
as the eu and imf agree on terms of debt sustainability. where does it leave the greek economy which has already shrunk by nearly a fifth? >>> and warren buffett on tv this morning saying he wouldn't sell a single share of stock even if he was guaranteed the u.s. goes off the fiscal cliff. just wait until you hear who he thinks should be the treasury secretary. >> we'll begin of course with the deal of the day. conagra foods has agreed to acquire ralcorp for $5 billion. $90 a share in cash. 28% premium to the closing price on monday. kayla tausche reported on potential for a deal between the two companies back in 2011. it creates the largest private label food company in north america. this is a big deal. >> yes, it is. it's big in size in terms of what we've seen in this market. look how excited he is. and they finally got it done. it's been one as you pointed out that was around in 2011. they couldn't get it done. that is conagra. they walked away. ralcorp stock price fell dramatically. they split the post cereal division from ralcorp. the two trade separately. so you did have a compan
hit record levels over the weekend, on the surface maybe good for the economy and shows a good economy, what does dave ramsey think? he's the enemy of debt. but here you have millions of people going into debt, i don't think that dave will approve and he's going to join us next and of course, we'll bring you the opening bell. [ male announcer ] this is joe woods' first day of work. and his new boss told him twongs -- cook what you love, and save your money. joe doesn't know it yet, but he'll wk his way up from busser to waiter to chef before opening a restaurant specializing in fish and me from the great northwest. he'll start investing early, he'll find some good people to help guide him, nd he'll set money aside from his first day of work to his last, which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense. from tdmeritrade. it's just common sense. you know it can be hard to lbreathe, and how that feels. copd includes chronicbronchitis. it's just common sense. youspiriva helps controlto lbremy copd symptomsat feels. by keeping my airways open for 24 hours. plus, it reduces copd flare-ups.
get enough of a recovery. i think we need a deal on the economy and on the budget and the debt, but i think until we get that, we need to have unemployment -- >> we have extended food stamps to 47 million people. we have extended unemployment benefits for up to two years and may extend them again. extended reach of earned income tax credit which is a massive check in the mail to millions of people every january. >> who are working and earning money and rewarding them for work. stuart: most corrupt of all government handout programs. >> it shouldn't be corrupt. it was a good idea and started by ronald reagan. stuart: you would not change the safety net as it now stands? >> i would try to make it work more efficiently but would not change it. stuart: you don't think there's anything wrong with a nation which has all of these millions of people, half the population taking something from the government. >> i think there is a lot right about that in an economic time of devastation. we can make the programs work better, but the programs shouldn't be eliminated because there's corruption whe
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